Kirk's CQ Build - 2020 Update!

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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - trans fixed, off to Audi Expo

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audifreakjim wrote:That was me who added the extra detent, still working perfect! One of the best mods on the car, other than the lights and the turbo.


Thanks for the idea! Drove the car for a few hours today doing some errands this morning then down to the Expo and back. I have to say- I love it! Great upgrade :beer: :thumbsup:
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:thumbsup: :beer: :beer:
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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - Audi Expo 2014

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Nice write-up and some pictures of the coupe, myself, and Alex by NW Auto Salon:

http://www.northwestautosalon.com/2014/06/audi-expo-2014-samoa-rings-return-king/

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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - Audi Expo 2014

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Kirk,

I'm trying to figure out what radiator to use on my swap. I have the old V8 radiator and am trying to figure out how to fit it, but a V6 would fit perfectly in there. Do you think it would be too small?
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Just saw this after replying to the conversation on your thread. I think the real key is getting space between the radiator and the engine. In my research before doing the swap, it seems like a lot of folks end up with the radiator right up against the engine and cooling issues. As a result, I made space for airflow and an all-aluminum radiator a primary objective. I ended up using a modified aftermarket (cheap eBay) aluminum 1.8t radiator, trimming some ribs on the headlights to get it forward more, and spacing out the front crossmember a few inches to make room. Ultimately I got 3.25" between the core and the front timing cover up top, and slightly more at the bottom (slight tilt outward at the bottom to maximize space).

I honestly have never messed with the v6 radiator so I'm not sure how big it is. Put the headlights in and see how far forward you can get it. If you can get 3" and have space for a few big pusher fans in front, then I think there is a good shot at it working ok.
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Thanks!
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One of my new favorite pics:

ImageP1070148 by Vex Art, on Flickr

And a few more...

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Oh man, excellent as always. Thanks Alex!
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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - Audi Expo 2016

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i just picked up two 90 CS Quattro manual B4's.... 93 and 95. and now i wanna do this swap in one of them..... have the belt-timing 4.2L 40v here as well, and 01E trans's too. rear diff would need to find.
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speeding-g60 wrote:i just picked up two 90 CS Quattro manual B4's.... 93 and 95. and now i wanna do this swap in one of them..... have the belt-timing 4.2L 40v here as well, and 01E trans's too. rear diff would need to find.

you got a 95 too?
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Afterthought wrote:
speeding-g60 wrote:i just picked up two 90 CS Quattro manual B4's.... 93 and 95. and now i wanna do this swap in one of them..... have the belt-timing 4.2L 40v here as well, and 01E trans's too. rear diff would need to find.

you got a 95 too?


yup. $250. 163k miles, from a tow yard. got it for the headliner and foglights, actually, but it runs sooooooo what to do right? was gonna keep all the drivetrain for spare parts if it didnt run. but it does.

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speeding-g60 wrote:i just picked up two 90 CS Quattro manual B4's.... 93 and 95. and now i wanna do this swap in one of them..... have the belt-timing 4.2L 40v here as well, and 01E trans's too. rear diff would need to find.

B5 4.11 rear diff should go right in, but you lose the locking diff. Use a B5S4 driveshaft too I believe. Frame rails might need clearancing to fit stock 40v headers (like on Dan's 4kq). Convert to cable throttle body or change gas pedal to DBW.

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Always wanted a maroon B4

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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - Audi Expo 2016

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Sweet! you have quite a collection going these days- I just saw the new Q3 on FB too.

The swap should be pretty straight forward for you. You have some spare CQ diff's laying around from the drag car- just make some custom mounts and use one of those ;)

Planning on stock engine management or standalone?
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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - Audi Expo 2016

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update (looking for info and this is my first stop actually).

i have (2) ABZ now, (3) x B4 90's (the FWD one is a parts car FWD lol.

info i am looking for is FW insert for pilot bushing. and crank position sensor info, but mine will be 01A.

i got a brand new fully set up by Marc VEMS and ABZ modded harness to do the first one with. $650 shipped how could i not?

also made the space to do the work, built 60x40 shop. funny thing is, the white car is the parts car. the purple one gets the first ABZ, the black gets the next. the Corrado has a C5 4.2L 40v and 01E and CQ Quattro drivetrain, and the race car has a turbo LS swap. ALL V8!!!

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speeding-g60 wrote:update (looking for info and this is my first stop actually).

i have (2) ABZ now, (3) x B4 90's (the FWD one is a parts car FWD lol.

info i am looking for is FW insert for pilot bushing. and crank position sensor info, but mine will be 01A.

i got a brand new fully set up by Marc VEMS and ABZ modded harness to do the first one with. $650 shipped how could i not?

also made the space to do the work, built 60x40 shop. funny thing is, the white car is the parts car. the purple one gets the first ABZ, the black gets the next. the Corrado has a C5 4.2L 40v and 01E and CQ Quattro drivetrain, and the race car has a turbo LS swap. ALL V8!!!

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And ironically your “fast” car has a I4T... ;)

I used the 034 flywheel insert (https://store.034motorsport.com/flywhee ... minum.html) which worked beautifully. It has a built-in pilot bearing and uses dual-mass UrS clutch.

For crank position sensor I’m not sure how useful I’ll be. Since I used stock management I cut the sensor bung out of the a8 trans and welded it into the 01e bellhousing. If you’re planning to use standalone I don’t think that’s necessary.
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Just looked through this build, one hell of a clean job man! Nice work, I love it!
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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - Audi Expo 2016

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Thanks Ben! I feel the same way about your 4kq.
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Re: Kirk's CQ Build - 2020 Update!

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2020 Update!
The red car finally got some love this summer. I'll let the pics do the talking.

Suspension:
KW V3
Verkline Subframes & Sport Quattro control arms

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Interior:
RS2 Seats
S2 Carbon Trim
B4 climate control conversion
Blaupunkt Bremen SQR 46 DAB

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Looks pretty nice!

I've thought about putting the Verkline subframes and arms on the 90. Looks like the clearance on lower pillow block to rotor is pretty tight, just the angle?
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Mcstiff wrote:Looks pretty nice!

I've thought about putting the Verkline subframes and arms on the 90. Looks like the clearance on lower pillow block to rotor is pretty tight, just the angle?
Quality is great and they are pretty slick, but the arms do push the front wheels forward to increase caster angle so we aware of that.

Good eye. Brake clearance with the lower ball joint is fine in back, but tighter than tight up front: hard interference. Apparently with stock brakes there is no issue, but with my 996 calipers and 323mm S8 rotors they contact. I let the rotors machine a bit of the aluminum pillow block off to make themselves some room so I could drive the car in the short term, but I have a new pair and some spacers so I can space the rotor out from the hub and fix it properly. Going to have to machine a new caliper brackets to go with.
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Interesting, I'll be following along. My front brakes are a one off but spacing out the fronts isn't too bad.
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Nice upgrades! What suspension was on it before the KWs?


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jbrentd wrote:Nice upgrades! What suspension was on it before the KWs?

Thanks! I previously had 2Bennet/Koni coils on it with aluminum subframe bushings, OEM rubber control arm bushings, Sachs strut mounts, and delrin trans & diff mounts. I think the rubber strut and control arm bushings are pretty important for keeping it comfortable as a street car so I kept that same combination of bushings and mounts with the new suspension setup.

Sam S. took it for a drive after I finished this work and I think the lack of squeaks, rattles, and harsh vibrations on a project car blew his mind a little bit. It feels a lot more like something that rolled off the Audi production line than a modified project car, which was absolutely the goal.
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1990 ABZ CQ
1990 lifted CQ
2005 S4 6MT
2011 A4 2.0T Avant (ok, it's my wife's car but it's sexy and I love it)
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