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Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:01 am
by Audilard
So, which turbo is this?

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:49 am
by audifreakjim
I am guessing a GTX30R. I like that little display!

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:58 am
by a_CQ
Let it be known that Hank has a thing for nuts. :P

I decided to get a little more friendly Spring Mountain turbo.


I approve of this message. So, the car will be there mid-April? :wink:

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:00 am
by Mcstiff

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:04 pm
by 40v4kq
LOL @ Ed.

Hank, it's great to see you've gone VEMS. Now I dont have to bug Marc anymore when i need help(not that you havn't been bugged yet with random questions way too late at night) :D

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:30 am
by Hank
Perhaps too much thinking while I should be sleeping, but do you guys think a guy could get away with a single cable driven bicycle brake adapted to the inner CV(I have those 15mm spacers on my drivers front to make up half shaft length)? I could waterjet out custom rotors and make brackets so that it would not be much bigger than the 108mm CV, probably just a hair over that. I understand it wouldn't be much torque for actually stoping a car in an emergency, but I do think it would keep the car stationary on a hill. I guess I could run some numbers, but I want to put some boxter S rear calipers on the URQ, but I need to be able to pass inspections(well not really) still, and an ebrake is still required. I still want a proper hydro ebrake, but it seems like a cable driven ebrake setup would work well.

Picture these inboard, and a pull lever down by the hood release that just locks the wheel so it doesnt roll away. This setup would be particularly sweet at hte track, where putting an ebrake on after a hot lap is a good way to get your pads to weld up to the rotor, or warp rotors. The inboard idea would only be used for stationary lock, so it would never be hot. Even though the padlock is typically uber flat, it is still somewhat unnerving with that gt3 or r8 in front of you :)

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Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 am
by loxxrider
I don't see why not... just need to make sure you can get enough clamping force on it is all.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:56 am
by WOMBAT
Easier?

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Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:59 am
by 1wheelpeel
I've thought of installing an ebrake on the center driveshaft. You would be making use of the gearing in the differential to your advantage.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:18 pm
by a_CQ
Don't be a girl, you don't need an ebrake for anything. Leave the car in gear, it'll be fine.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:39 pm
by pitts
is there a motorcycle or scooter Rotor/Caliper that would be similar but more robust?

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:44 pm
by my2000apb
a_CQ wrote:Don't be a girl, you don't need an ebrake for anything. Leave the car in gear, it'll be fine.


them turbo people like to really let the cars warm up and cool down

hard to do in gear unless u wanna sit in the car the whole time

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:48 pm
by 123quattro
I really doubt a mountain bike brake could generate the sort of torque you are looking for. Bikes are an order of magnitude lighter. Why not just make up mounts for some spotter calipers? A few high performance cars do it this way. Put the factory calipers opposite your rear calipers, but only use them for the E-brake.

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Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:53 pm
by my2000apb
are those guys runnign two small calipers for ebrake? one on either side or jsut a single?
whatss one of them calipers run anyway? $?

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:06 pm
by a_CQ
Valid point, Tim. I forgot about cooling down part. Piece of 2x4 should work as well or just a simple wheel chok. I've used my floor jack a few times too.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:14 pm
by my2000apb
we have some chocks at work that are small and are U shaped for both sides of the wheel

i really want a small single side cable brake for mine

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:35 pm
by Mcstiff
How aboot a brake on the diff input? No good if your axle snaps but otherwise out of the way.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:04 pm
by 1wheelpeel
Mcstiff wrote:How aboot a brake on the diff input? No good if your axle snaps but otherwise out of the way.


It would be better because of the gearing advantage. Same reason why we leave our gearbox in 1st or reverse when parked. Some 1 ton trucks have an emergency brake on the driveline. It works really well.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:28 pm
by Quattro v1.0
I think he's afraid he wont be able to get the car to rotate.

if you're going to do all that - why not do a single disk on the input flange of your rear diff and save the unsprung weight.

You design my above idea and I'll buy one.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:19 pm
by Mentosman42
I'd be interested aswell, eventually want to upgrade front and rear. Hopefully sometime this summer after the car is together.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:28 pm
by 1wheelpeel
quattro v1.0 wrote:[/quote]
I think he's afraid he wont be able to get the car to rotate.

if you're going to do all that - why not do a single disk on the input flange of your rear diff and save the unsprung weight.

You design my above idea and I'll buy one.[/quote]

An emergency brake before the rear differential would be great in most situations. However, with an open differential the wheels could still rotate in opposite directions regardless if the e-brake was applied. Not an ideal setup for rally driving but you get 4x the braking force (?) and the whole unsprung weight thing. E-braking through your differential gears and axles might not be the best idea with really powerful cars like Hanks. For the rest of us it would be fine. Keep in mind I've seen many Jaguars with inboard rear brakes. The axle's and gears shouldn't be a problem.

Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:57 pm
by Mcstiff
quattro v1.0 wrote:[/quote]
I think he's afraid he wont be able to get the car to rotate.

if you're going to do all that - why not do a single disk on the input flange of your rear diff and save the unsprung weight.

You design my above idea and I'll buy one.[/quote]

I'd still lock up the rear wheels and may be easier on everything depending on how you look at it.

Google "pinion brake rockwell"; the biggest thing is just keeping it balanced but if you are using a small motorcycle rotor that should not be difficult.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:09 pm
by Hank
Jon, those emergency brembos on that gt40 add 1000$ to.the price of that car all by them self. They are expensive and the pads are half of that. I am not looking to spend 1500 on a parking brake.

In Utah, the safety requires the car to be held back by the brakes, and is tested by trying to slip the clutch in 1st. If it forward, it is unsafe. On an auto, it just has to keep the car from creeping forward.

I have a ton of room up front by the drivers side inner cup. I could probably make a 9" rotor there witvout any problem.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:03 pm
by roortube
what if the car just stalls when the slippage is attempted? I'd think that either an aggressive clutch or a specific tune could make that happen.

Re: Hanks 612whp URQ 2.6L... A New Brain and Turbo

Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:28 pm
by pkw
if it is just to pass inspection, a used hyd, locking parking brake from a snowmobile should work well on the dif input if you have the space for the rotor diameter.